• Misbah Haque

Functional Mindset for type a's and high achievers w/ Arielle Bloom

Arielle Bloom is a coach who specializes in functional nutrition and mindset. You can follow her work here:

Instagram: @arielle_bloom

FB Group: Holistic High Achievers




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Hey guys, welcome back to the show. This is Ms [inaudible] and I really appreciate you tuning in. I want to give you a heads up and just apologize in advance for a little bit of the audio. We had some tech issues and you know, we use the internet recording. You will still get 99.5% of the amazing content that's in here, but I just wanted to give you a heads up. The other thing I wanted to let you know is that this show and this episode, in particular, is sponsored by habit, chess.com. All right. Habit, chess.com is a place where creative people can go to get higher energy. Okay. you can download the free guide there. 10 ways to higher energy in under 10 minutes. Again, that's habitchess.com. The purebred weirdo podcast is also a sponsor of this show.


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As you guys may know, that is my comedy podcast, and if you are not subscribed to it yet, please go ahead wherever you listen or watch and show it some love. I would really appreciate it. And yeah, that's really it. I want to dive right into this. I think you're really gonna enjoy Ariel and a lot of the insights she brought today related to the mindset for those of us who, you know type personalities or, or high achievers. There's a lot of great nuggets that you'll take away from this one. So anyway, thank you so much for supporting the show, and enjoy Ariel, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me, dude. I'm really excited about this because our first, like the first time I met you was on the West coast. I had picked up and left everything. I knew nobody. I had done kind of an internship at Invictus and you were there and you were super nice. Your energy was awesome. And when I moved up North to the Bay area, you also kind of went up around the same time. And so I've known you for a little bit and I'm excited to catch up.


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I know, I promise I wasn't following you. And you just ended up in the same exact places twice. Yeah. And now you are


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And in Austin, right? So I mean, did this, the 20, 20 prompts, this was this something that happened like before or after? Walk me through your origin of this idea


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And I'm super serendipitous and don't believe in coincidences.


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But we bought the RV in October of 2019 because we had already decided like we were going to move from the Bay area back down to San Diego. And after watching a few of living in a tiny home, so that kind of prompted the whole smaller space thing. And it came about because I was obsessed with the minimalist thing. And I really wasn't finding what I wanted in terms of an apartment. I have like, apparently very high, high standards for apartments. I never knew this about myself until now. So then Gabe kind of floats, it gives my husband, he floated it by me, like, Hey, do you want to live in an Airstream, which is an RV. And I had no idea what he was talking about. Had no idea what it was, but I was like, yeah, why not? Like I wanted to live in a tiny home. You're proposing some type of tiny home. That sounds great.


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It has wheels and you can move around, happens.


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To be mobile. How great is that? So we moved, we bought it in October and moved in in January. Cause we moved down to San Diego and then all of a sudden everything shut down and we were like, okay, well not the worst thing. Like we're in San Diego, it's beautiful here. Things are shut down, but we can still kind of go outside. Like it's not that bad. And then we were like, our home has wheels, but we don't have to stay right here and everything's closed. So like what difference does it make if we're here if we're somewhere else and everything’s booked. So we decided that we were going to leave San Diego and go originally we were just going to go to Utah for like a couple of weeks and then come right back to San Diego because everything was going to open up again in a couple of weeks.


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We were like, all right, well, we'll go for two weeks and then we'll come back. We left San Diego and have not been back since last year. It kind of just like everywhere we went, we were like, all right, well, where do you want to go next? Where do you want to go next? And then it prompted this big trip across the US to go see our parents, both of us. So both gay men and I are both from the East coast. We're both from New York and our parents still live there. So we were like, well, what am I going to be cool if we went to the East coast for the holidays? And so that's what we did. And now we're in Austin.


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And I mean, Austin is popping right now. There's so much especially for standup comedy, there's a lot going on over there, which makes me really want to come down and visit. But how are you liking it? What's is there a big, are you noticing a big difference, like in your day-to-day from the West coast?


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Ooh, the hot take right now is that people are a lot more friendly, which I was really surprised because people on the West coast are pretty friendly too. Yeah. When people are just like very, very friendly here and nothing bothers them that much. They're also a little bit more laid back even than the West coast. It's a different type of laid-back. I'm noticing. Yeah. People are just like, yeah, like, whatever dude, this is how it's going to be here. Which has been super cool.


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Yeah. It's like a nice hybrid between West Coast and East coast hustle styles, you know?


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Yep. This is funny because when I moved from New York to San Diego, it was a huge culture shock. I was like, why are you so slow?


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Yeah. I felt that too.


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I finally realized that it was me. Not everyone else. Did I need to just slow down?


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Well, I wanna, I wanna dive into that a little bit because being in a new environment I'm sure new ventures maybe that have happened over this past year. Like what's and, and some, I mean, I've been, I'm also in your Facebook group, I think like and I've been enjoying like just, I don't know, everybody seems really fun in there and I kind of hop in here and there once in a while and it motivates me to like, just, I dunno, think about some interesting stuff related to, you know, wellness and nutrition. But I, I was thinking about, you know, how the types of clients that you have are high achievers, right? Like they're entrepreneurs, there are people who are, you know, kind of go-getters already. So tell me a little bit about this concept of slowing down. How does that interplay into one of your life and, or your client's lives when they're probably like, you know, hard-charging people?


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Yeah. I love that question so much because that's literally what I had to go through myself because as a high achiever, as a very type of person, it's always like, what am I doing next? What do I have to do right now? Where's my checklist. Like, give me all the tasks. And it wasn't until this past year where I really learned that slowing down is the key to speeding up and getting to where you want to go. Right? Like we can't be firing on all cylinders all the time. We have to take time to refuel and refuel. Isn't it just what you're eating. It's also like, what are you doing to refill your mind? How are you re how are you coming back to like your baseline? Because if we're not doing that, right, like if we're constantly at our threshold, that threshold slowly gets lower and lower and lower until we can't handle anything.


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And then we're no good to anyone in our lives. So that's where like, that's where it hit me first was okay. I need to work on slowing down, being present, tapping into. I actually, like, it's an interesting dichotomy because your go, go, go energy. Is that masculine energy? Right? Like it's our get done. And I curse that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Okay. Okay. Just wanna make sure. And the slowing down being present, getting into a flow, that's your feminine energy and all of us as high achievers. We're in that masculine energy, the majority of the time. And the problem is that if they're not balanced, it's like having a river with no water. You have the river bed, but if there's no water in it, it's not doing anything.


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I really liked that. So do you like, cause I noticed this with like being on social, like I've made a, I've made more of an effort to like, okay, I'm gonna, I'm going to get on there? I'm going to be more, I'm going to engage with more people. I'm going to share more stuff, all that. Right. I have found myself checking it, excessively consuming more content. Right. Just like the mindless scrolling, maybe that I didn't do. It's like, it comes back when I go back to posting. So the thing I realized was at the end of the day, my brain just felt so tired because I realized like, I think I've been on here, like all day to some degree, you know, like I'm like doing other stuff and I'm popping back on. And I think I saw this in like the creative brain, like a documentary or somewhere where every time you do a Google search, even the amount of energy, your brain expends is a decent amount. Like just to like inquire, think about something. And I'm like, I'm sure there's some energy equation for social too. But you kind of sometimes doesn’t realize it when you're in the thick of it. Do you know what I mean? Until you're like, all right. I'm toast.


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Literally in a state of hypnosis, like scrolling, like that is hypnotic. Think of how much time you've spent, like think of a time. And this has happened to me kind of recently too, like a time when you just went on to check a notification and like 10 minutes later, you're like, what was I, why am I on here? Like how long have you been scrolling for like, that is hypnosis. If you do not know where the time went, that is because you were hypnotized by the device in your hand.


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Yeah. And you know, you know, that concept of flow right. Where you're getting into like a bit of a flow state, it's almost like you're getting into a flow state for the wrong thing. And then all your energy is gone. Do you know what I mean? Or it takes away from your ability to tap into the flow for the other stuff that actually, maybe.


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You want exactly.


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I really like the, I mean, I, I, you posted this thing on like energy being a currency, something along those lines and that energy. Yeah. Yeah. And I really resonate with that because it's like even hard chargers and go-getters have, have a red line. Right. Like there's a point where it's different for everybody and some people can tolerate more push through it or whatever. What are some things you've maybe noticed from, cause you have, I think very unique insight from working with other people and just getting to observe the different personalities, different walks of life? So what are some things that maybe stood out to you? You know, that like how do people, how do hard like achievers and go-getters actually like, what's it look like when they crash? Do you know? And, and how do you navigate it?


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Yeah. I mean, this is something that like you said, it's so different for everyone. And for a lot of people, it has to do with your health, right? Like a lot of high achievers will be crushing it at work. And then all of a sudden gets super sick or blow their back out or has come down with like an auto-immune condition. Like all of these things are so common. And I can't tell you how many times I've talked to someone who's like, yeah. You know, I, I was fine. And then all of a sudden, like my hair started falling out or all of a sudden, I, I just couldn't get rid of this Harper. And I like, can't eat anything now because I get heartburn every single time I eat something. Or like, yeah, I can't work out anymore because I blew my back out.


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Cause I was super stressed at work. And then I like went to go for a run or something. Like, it comes in different examples for everyone. But it's usually with your health because we li we don't listen to the little whispers that our body gives us. And then we don't listen when they start talking louder and we don't listen when they're screaming. We listen when they slap us in the face and like, and that's what we do. And we think that that's the way it's the problem is that we've been conditioned to say like, like grin and bear it, like get through it, sack up, like, let's go. And truthfully, we are way less effective and efficient when we do that.


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Yeah. And that's a really, really, like, I think deeply embedded type of mindset in, in like just our society or culture that is like, I've had to actively work towards the kind of embracing all the stuff you're talking about. But it, it, it, it can creep back and it does creep back because it's everywhere. Right. It's like, even though we're kind of being encouraged to take a step back and slow down sometimes, or there's contradictory advice, or, or you, you know, examples that you're seeing of, of entrepreneurs out there who are maybe still super, like, they may not mean it that way, like work all the time, go really hard, but it can come off that way if there's not enough context.


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Yeah. And the problem is and Gary V actually about this a lot, he's like, my threshold is different than your threshold. So like, if I can work all the time, it's because I've learned that like, this is where I can get to before I have to start backing off. I know that my threshold versus Gary V's threshold is very different. Like how many times do I have to break down crying hysterically that like, something is bothering me before I listened to myself to say like, okay, maybe Ariel, you need to back it up? And he's gone through that. All entrepreneurs have gone through this. Like we have to learn essentially type a people. We have to learn the hard way. Like we have to experience it ourselves. We're never going to take it from someone else. So we have to kind of find our own threshold, but then you have to listen to that threshold and you have to understand that that is all just feedback.


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Yeah. How do you have you figured out like some ways maybe, or whether it's questions or prompts or any strategies you've found effective to maybe even beginning to recognize like what your threshold is how do you, how do you even kind of start that process with some of your clients?


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Yeah. It's a really fun process because fun, right? Like I think everything's fun. Cause I'm fascinated by the body and the human brain, but it's this really fun process because you get to start to learn about your health and about what your tells are. And so a big one is that I just encourage people to start with is I'm a big journaling fan. I think it's something that's super useful, a really great tool. I always start with the question, what do I need right now? I like that either. What do I need? Or how am I feeling? A lot of people, especially tight-based, can't tap into how am I feeling that one does not work for some people. So what do I need sometimes is a little bit better because you can look at like, okay, where am I right now? What do I actually need? And sometimes you start and you're like, I need a glass of water or you start with, I need someone to take this off my plate. Like, whatever it is, it doesn't have to look a certain way. But you just have to ask yourself because we don't ask, we don't ever ask ourselves what we need. We just kind of like, think, think it's just like random stuff. And it's usually never that.


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Yeah. And, and what you said about type a people, having a hard time with tapping into how you feel like that was something I think in 2020 that I realized, like, that was a big realization for me because I thought that I could do that. Like I could, I could like, Oh, this is how I feel. But I realized it was just more like my brain. Like I could think about how I was feeling maybe, but the truth, like processing of it or feeling the emotion or whatever it is like that wasn't like accessible to me. It took me like, if something happened, it took me like a week or two weeks to like really like absorb it. And yeah.


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Because you're trying to have the, you're trying to have like concrete data for not they're made up. Like we make up everything we feel.


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Right. It's like, you're trying to make it a cerebral thing when it's not. And okay. So I like that. What, what do, what do I need? And what are some of the things that you found? Like, does it come back to like, oh, I'm thirsty? I need water, you know? Or, is it like.


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Sometimes it's like, Oh, actually, like I haven't drunk any water today. Maybe I just need to drink some water. Right. Then sometimes it's like, I can't do this task. I don't have the bandwidth. I need someone to do this task. Yes. Sometimes that's what it is. And sometimes it's like, I need to go outside. I need to get some fresh air when we don't ask. We never have the solution. But as soon as we start to ask the question, we can find something, we find some answer and then benefits, not like the perfect answer we get somewhere.


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Yeah. It's I want to know a little more about your journaling style, cause there are so many ways to do it and I'm kind of a nerd about that stuff too, in a way I like morning pages, but I've kind of tweaked that concept and evolved it to like my own in a way. But a version of brain dumping and getting, getting what's out, like on my mind. So what, what are some things you like when you, when you sit down to journal?


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Yeah. So I have been pulling cards like Oracle cards. Cool. Yeah. So that gives me a little bit of the direction that I need to go in terms of journaling for the day. So what I'll do is I'll meditate for five to 20 minutes, depending on how I'm feeling that morning. And I usually do a guided meditation, so I have a friend that does a live meditation three days a week. So I'm part of that group. But then I also have like the Gaia app they use, they have like a bunch of different ones. And then there's also like some that I'll tap into on YouTube. But I'll do a meditation and in the meditation is where I set my intention for what I want to get out of journaling. And most mornings will be very honest with you because this is going to sound like a really long process.


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Most mornings, this whole process takes me 20 minutes because I only have 20 minutes. So I'll meditate for five minutes and then I'll pull a card and in the card, as you're pulling it, you're supposed to be like setting your intention. So you ask for what you need. I'm literally like closing my eyes. Like this is what I do, close my eyes, ask for what I need. And usually, that card will give me some sort of journal prompt. So in that prompt usually it's something along the lines of like, what do I need to let go of? Where do I need to ask for help? Things like that, like little questions like that. And then sometimes I'll take it one step further and ask like, okay, where what do I need to let go of? And what am I doing with that extra space in my life?


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Is it just like that extra space? Or is it that like, this is freeing up space for creativity or this is freeing up space for the thing I've always wanted to do. So I kind of just like to take those questions and then kind of dig a little bit deeper that's one way. And then on some days when I don't have time to meditate, which happens, I'll just go into what I'm thankful for. And I try and find at least two things and I'll go into, what am I looking forward to? Oh, I like that. Yeah. And then it's simple, easy, and I can usually find something pretty quickly that I am thankful for. And then the looking forward to is exciting because then you get to like, look at your day or your week and be like, Oh, that's actually super exciting. I love that.


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Yeah. Do you is this something, I mean, you do it personally, but is it something that your clients have messed around with or you introduce them to, how receptive do you find people are to journaling? Because I know I love it, but sometimes people do not see it the same way or it's more stressful to them than it is like freeing or at Kenji before you kind of start practicing and get into the rhythm. So what's it look like on kind of a, yeah. When you relay this to others.


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So it's always different. Some people are like, Ooh, I love that. Like, I'm totally gonna do that. And then other people are like, I don't have time to do another thing that you want me to do. So it's a little bit like, okay, we need to reframe the situation. Like where are you spending the time? And we go through kind of breakdowns that way. Time is usually a big one. Time is a big one for a lot of people. And I get it. We're busy. A lot of people that I work with are moms or parents, and they have other responsibilities. Sometimes their companies, their baby, like all of these things take your time and energy. I'm not going to discount that. So sometimes we have to do a time audit before we even get to journaling and it has to be like, Hey, where are you spending your time? Is it effectively being spent? And can we take some of that time and apply it to something that will actually help you in the long run, be more productive?


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Yes. Okay. I like that. And I'm sure it's, it's more so it's getting somebody to get it. Like, cause every time I sit down to write and I literally sometimes get to the first sentence, I reminded, I'm like, Oh, I love this. Like, this feels good. This is why I do it. Like I should do this more. I have that thought. And I think as I wonder if, as a type, like as high achievers, we need that. Like we need to experience that feeling in order to make it important like to make it be like, this is the thing I'm going to do again, you, you have to get a taste of what it's going to kind of do for you a little bit.


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Yeah. And truthfully, a part of that comes down to the expectation. Like, are you expecting to have everything solved at the end of this because chances are you won't, you may just feel slightly better. And then, and that's something I actually just came out of a conversation with one of my clients the other day is that she was having a really big block with journaling. And it was because for her, for her, she wanted to have everything figured out right away. And that's not the case. Like that's not how this works. So we had to reframe the expectations she had around why she was journaling, what she can expect to get out of it and what it's going to look like. So for her, it was a lot of like, well, if I sit down to journal, then it has to be an hour and a half long and I have to figure it all out by the end. And I never do. And I always feel worse. Well, maybe you need to like do five minutes every day and slowly start to break this down instead of like everything right off the bat.


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Yeah. I think that's a really big one because you, everyone has a different, it's kind of like reading. Everyone has a different association and relationship with it based on how it was for you when you were in high school and whether you liked it or not. And how sometimes you've carried that over, maybe into adult life. It's kinda like making it fun or simple again, you know, figuring out a way to do that. That's really cool. So I want to for anybody who's listening, who finds themselves in this boat where they're, they're a bit of a high achiever and they're struggling to, I don't know, explore this concept of slowing down. You mentioned a couple of things already journaling and things like that. W what are some tools that you would encourage them to mess around with?


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Okay. So I'm going to say it, and everyone's going to roll their eyes meditate. And if you don't want to take my word, go look up Joe Dispenza. Oh my God. I love Joe. Yeah. So, so Dr. Joe Dispenza puts it into really, really great digestible terms for people because a lot of people only associate, I had to think of the right way to say this. A lot of people only associate meditation with yogis and very woo-hoo widgets, but there is actual, like a scientific reason to meditate. You're actually growing your prefrontal cortex when you meditate. What that means is that you are much more able and willing to find a solution. You're going to be much more creative. Your problem-solving and processing are going to be a lot more effective and efficient. And so Dr. Joe Dispenza talks a lot about all of these, like the scientific side of meditation.


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So if you don't want to take my word for it, go look him up because he has all of the really great resources. And that is one of the first things I always recommend to people. And the thing is that same way with journaling, we have this like, expectation of what it should look like. It doesn't have to look a certain way for you. Maybe meditating is going for a walk and just like paying attention to the colors or paying attention to the sounds. For some people, meditating is sitting with, like a journal and doodling. Yeah. Like, get into some sort of like flow state. And if you don't know what your flow state is, try different things like trying going for a walk and paying attention to the colors. And sounds try sitting and listening to a guided meditation, try doodling. Like all of the things can work. If you are open to letting them at least try them.


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I really like that you brought up Joe Dispenza because of the way that he articulates, Oh my God. And talk it's, it's insane. It's and it's so scientific in a way, but it's, you're right. It's digestible. But for somebody who is a very analytical person and needs the reasoning and needs how, like he's kind of the person who's taken all the research and put it together in a way where we can understand it. And what excites me about him is he's, he does, he's doing more research and has access to so much data where he's like doing brain scans and tracking like how people are responding to meditations and you know, better and better ways to track that and, and, and see how effective this stuff is and what we're capable of. Like, one of the things I found really interesting was as you become more experienced, you know, meditator or whatever you, eh, I think he said for his students, it takes them an average of 54 seconds to slip into that state where everything kind of comes down.


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You're not analyzing as much. And you're kind of maybe not in a meditative flow, but as the beginnings of it versus sometimes when you first start meditating or you have, and for a while, it takes time, it takes 10 minutes, few minutes to like, let your brain kind of clear things up. So the little things like that, he's very, I really liked that about him. And what you reminded me of was I tried cause he has a bunch of different guided ones and they're all great, but I got the one that was reconditioning. Then, the body and the mind, it was like a little bit of emotional rehearsal in there. That I thought was really cool because for me, as I said, I was having a hard time, like truly like accessing that in a way. And for whatever reason, because I've, I've tried his, and then I've tried doing it without and tried other ones the way he says it or the way you listen to it.


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And if he prompts you to like, Oh, explore what it would feel like to overcome your fears. Right. or ex like explore this emotion of being satisfied or content or whatever. It's like, yeah. Nobody, like, I've never thought about that. You know, it's like my, my brain's never been prompted with that question and then give them the space to be like, Hey, all right, now, sit here and just let that happen for a little bit, you know? So very cool. Is there one in particular that you enjoy more than others out of his meditations?


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Not, no. I've only done maybe like one or two and I'm totally blanking on the names of them now, but any of his are fantastic and I've been so I have the Gaia app and he has a series on the guy app called rewired and it's going through all of essentially. So he wrote a series of books. There are two, I think right now. And he, essentially, the show is like, whatever he's talking about in the books. And I read the books. So now I'm watching the show just to kind of like, hear his voice again. And even just listening, like, I'll listen to that while I take our dog for a walk and even just listening to it, I like to get back. And I feel like I've meditated because it's just so much it just, it gives you space to like, think of these things and like have the possibilities for them. And that's what I love about what he does. He kind of reminds me, he's like a dad, he's a dad. And he just like, reminds me of a dad telling you something. You're like, Oh my God, you're so wise, like, of course, I'm going to listen to you.


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Yeah. And I think by doing that, by just like watching his series or reading the book, like you're improving your understanding of why this works, why it's, why it should work for you, why it doesn't or like, and the more you think can do that, it makes it easier to actually do it when it comes time.


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Well, that's the thing is like, all of it is just, you're just taking on education, right? Like you're just educating yourself. So when you have the education, you have the understanding, it's a lot easier to do the thing because you know why you're doing it. Yep. When you just it's the same as eating vegetables versus knowing why you need to eat these specific types of vegetables. Like when you know where they came from, you know, the nutrients that are in them, you know what those are going to do for your body. You're more likely to be adherent to eating vegetables because you know that what you're getting out of that return is like the return you're getting on your investment essentially is so much higher than if you were just like, Oh, I have to eat a green vegetable today.


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Yes. And I know you said you didn't remember the exact meditations, but one, I thought of that might be helpful for somebody who's like, cause they are long, longer some of his right. And, and if you're if you can do that go for him. But he came out with a morning and evening version that is 23 minutes long each. And I like the morning one because it's just, he gets, it's like prepping for your day. It's getting you really kind of wire, like ready to roll. And it contains all the key parts from that hour one, but it's obviously a little shorter and faster, but it might be more approachable or accessible. I mean, for some people who are like, all right, let me give this a shot. And they don't want to go for a full hour right away.


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Because a full hour can be like, it can be intimidating. Yeah. Like there were some times where I thought I do like a 15 or 20-minute meditation sometimes in the mornings. And there are some times where I look at that and I'm like, Ugh, I don't want, I like can't, I can't be in my thoughts for that long. And sometimes it's okay. Like we all get into these places where we're like, that's not going to serve me right now. Like I maybe can do something else. And truthfully, like, maybe that would serve me better. And sometimes you have to let yourself be okay with it, not looking at the same every single day. So maybe like one day you're like, you know what? I think I could do a 20-minute meditation. Go try it because you never know. Even if it's like 10 minutes and you're like, no, this isn't working for me. You still tried half of it.


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Totally, dude. I love this. I really appreciate you coming on and dropping some knowledge. Tell me where if people want to keep up with what you're doing and follow you, where, where can they access your stuff?


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Yeah. So I am very active on Instagram. I do not check it all the time, like all day, every day, but I am very active on there. So you can only find me there. At Ariel underscore bloom, just my name and that is the best place because that's where I put all announcements. That's where I do training. And then my link to my Facebook group is usually in my LinkedIn bio out there. So if you want to join that, you want to come to join the fun party. I highly recommend you do because I love people there. We're super fun.


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And I, I can attest to this. It's, it's a very good vibe. And if you are, if you need some good energy to kind of get you going and keep you going, it's a, it's a great place to go. So I will get that linked up Ariel. And again, thanks again. Like thanks so much for sharing time with us and dropping some knowledge. Thanks for having me. This was awesome. Of course. Well, I will talk to you soon, and yeah, for anybody whose listening area also has an episode on pure red weirdo. That's going to be coming out. So make sure you give that a listen. But yeah. Thank you so much, everybody for listening and we'll see you next time.


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